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<div><br></div><div>Michel</div><div><br></div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 12:05 AM, Apostolis Xekoukoulot cakis <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:xekoukou@gmail.com" target="_blank">xekoukou@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
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   That is what a conservative libertarian would say. &#39;&#39;Protect the liberty of a certain group of people, for example the american people. This is how the greek athenian democrarcry worked as well. It wars a democracy for menr. But if we start thinking about liberty to a set of people we end up with the conclusion that everyone is a libertarian (take as a set only yourself ). That would make the use of the word libertarian unnecessary (as we all are libertarians). Since the word is used to differentiate between people, we end up through <span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:19px;background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255)"><b style="font-style:italic">Reductio ad absurdum </b>that your defintion of libertarian is wrong. </span><div>


<font face="sans-serif"><span style="line-height:19px">We also end up with the conclusion that you are not a libertarian.</span></font></div><div><font face="sans-serif"><span style="line-height:19px"><br>
</span></font></div><div><font face="sans-serif"><span style="line-height:19px">As a personal remark, I would say that such a wrong definition of libertarian was always used as an excuse to diminish the liberties of others.</span></font></div>


<div><font face="sans-serif"><span style="line-height:19px"><br></span></font></div><div><font face="sans-serif"><span style="line-height:19px">(reading math.. right now)<br>
</span></font><div><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/10/17 Natalie Golovin <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:10natalie@cox.net" target="_blank">10natalie@cox.net</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204);padding-left:1ex">



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<div>Nations still exist. You can be a libertarian with regards to the 
rights/responsibilities/privileges/policies of your own citizens wo extending 
them to the universal</div></div></div></div>
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