Dear Leif,

I was discussing this as a possible p
roject for 2012-2015, with  Elliot Bulmer, the idea was to study, one each year, 1) historical forms of democracy ; 2) current emergent forms (peer governance included) 3) proposals for the future

I can only talk about this in detail afte
r mid-december as I'll be travelling most of the fall ..

we could open a conceptual page on the wiki, to t
rash out ideas and sources,

I do want this to be an 'open' discussion, i.e. without p
reconceived answer up front,

Michel

On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 7:12 AM, Leif Olsen <leif_thomas_olsen@yahoo.com> wrote:
Dear Michel,
 
I can confirm that very few people I met, if any, have responded to my ideas with a recognizing smile. Although Habermas advocated the idea of a 'Public Sphere' that influence policymaking - albeit mainly indirectly - and Colin Ball (a former Secretary General of the Commonwealth Foundation) argued in favor of a 'People's Chamber' in Parliament (just like the House of Commons was once introduced to balance the House of Lords), and 'Critical Communitarism' is a philosophy that at least targets this thorny issue, has neither the establishment nor the anti-establishment developed any creative thinking in this field.
 
If you are interested in studying this issue (next year and onwards), I suggest we do it together. I have done quite a lot of preliminary work on this, and you have the 'channels'. Our coordinated efforts to open up the virtually 'holy' institution of the parliament to public scrutiny and debate would be refreshing.
 
Whould you agree?
 
Cheers
/ Leif
 

From: Michel Bauwens <michel@p2pfoundation.net>
To: Leif Olsen <leif_thomas_olsen@yahoo.com>
Cc: p2p-foundation <p2p-foundation@lists.ourproject.org>
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 2:28 AM
Subject: Re: Political Commons

Dea r Leif,

I hope you don't mind I'm sha ring this with ou r list,

this may not be an a rea I have thought t rue sufficiently,

ve ry gene rally, I've always thought that we should make su re we have plu ralistic fo rms of democ racy, and not just one fo rum, 

fo r example, now, ou r  rep resentative mechanisms have been hijacked, while in  russia, it was the councils ..  so the political commons itself could not be just one institution, but a plu rality, keeping each othe r in balance and making powe r accumulations mo re difficult

we also have different domains, the territorial, the places where we work and study, and our cultural institutions (which may be a-territorial), and may require their own institutions ..

I was intending to spend 3 years, as of January 2012, to study democratic forms

On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 6:47 PM, Leif Olsen <leif_thomas_olsen@yahoo.com> wrote:
Dear Michel,
 
Coming back to our exchange a while ago, I wonder if you can give me some links to where you elaborate on 'political commons' - as compared to 'commons' from an ownership point of view. By this I mean 'how' this third force (i.e. non-private / non-state) shall engage in the political arena. Since politics is an area of debate and decisionmaking that affects all other aspects of society too, I see a need to establish a forum - a  'politcal commons' if you so wish - where such (i.e. non-private / non-state) interests can be represented. I call this 'Reference Parliaments', in which I see a significant philosophical overlap with the ideas you promote.
 
Nevertheless, I cannot really see from your writing 'how' you expect this third force to be politically represented. Can you elaborate on this?
 
Cheers
/Thomas
 
 
 



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