martin,
would you agree that there is a difference between profit making (i.e. an accidental or regular surplus in money after an exchange, which enables you to continue to operate in a money system) and a system based on profit maximisation (i.e.capitalism), i.e. between a mere market and capitalism ... this is a classic distinction made by marx (m-c-m vs c-m-c), polanyi, braudel, de landa, and even by anarchist anthropoligists like david graeber ...
pre-capitalist markets were always subsumed to broader economic and social goals (i.e. fixed price in Indian villages, 'just price', also pretty much fixed, in medieval europe, etc ...)
it seems to me that cartels/etc .. are a inevitable feature of capitalism, but are they a necessary feature of market systems in general, especially when the market dynamics are subsumed?
perhaps any class-based allocation system is marred by power law and concentration dynamics, since it was also certainly the case in feudal systems, where it is the land that was being concentrated,
to me it seems logically that any competitive allocation system, where some players can win, immediately favours the winner, since they already obtain more resources in the second round
without counter-measures, are these not inevitable?
my understanding is that tribal societies had such active countermeasures?
Michel
On 25/11/11 08:22, Michel Bauwens wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 12:22 PM, Natalie Golovin <10natalie@cox.net> wrote:
>> Scarcity of resources and risk-taking play major roles in allocation, andare these problems (cartels, monopolies etc.) hindering a well
>> choices become skewed as decisions are controlled by govt policies,
>> religion, culture & personal ethics. Consider the simple example of
>> providing HIV drugs to poor populations. Lengthening lives results in the
>> infection of many more individuals unless the culture �buys in� to
>> prevention like condom use. Profits pay for the returns to risk in bringing
>> a product to market. Once a product successfully hits the street,
>> competitors are encouraged until a dynamic equilibrium is reached and in
>> the long-run profit is roughly equivalent to the interest rate plus
>> depreciation. Today we have nothing close to that due to cartels, monopoly
>> behavior, collusion, FED manipulation of interest rates, insufficient or
>> over-regulation & favoritism etc. etc.,, all now made more complex on a
>> global scale.
>>
>
> we can agree on this ..
functioning a profit system, or are they rather problems made by a
profit system?
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