I hope we didnt get confused because of my english.

How do you say in english the ability of a person to decide what to do with an object or to decde what others could do with it.

I call this ownership. maybe I use the wrong word.

And yes, profit and debt wear different dresses but are the same person... lol.

2011/12/10 Patrick Anderson <agnucius@gmail.com>
Apostolis wrote:
> When you take a house with a loan,
> you are the owner of the house.

Are you saying the "payer's lack of ownership"
is the same as "debt"?

I had never thought of it in that way.

So when I say "profit measures the consumer's
lack of ownership in the means of production",
I could instead say "interest measures debt".

So we are in debt to the Capitalists because
we have not organized to co-own the means of
production for our mutual benefit.

That make a lot of sense.

I wonder how this compares to Chris Cook's
take on the subject, which seems very similar
to what I propose but continues to elude me.

His older work is at http://OpenCapital.net
also see http://p2pfoundation.net/Chris_Cook

I would CC him, but can't seem to find his addr.

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Sincerely yours, 
     Apostolis Xekoukoulotakis