Well Michel, we are in perfect agreement there!
My point is always that if there is ever going to be a chance to improve on the beginning in these missing ways, they certainly need to be acknowledged and validated, along with the important celebration of what is truly new and exciting in that
win.
And sorry, I should remember to sign these so here's the whole thing! :-)
June
June Gorman,
Educator and Educational Theorist
Board Project
Director for Outreach, International Model United Nations Association<
http://imuna.org/>
Member, UN Education
Caucus for Sustainable Development
Member, UN Commons
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Subject: [P2P-F] no women in syriza
unfortunately, the collective view seems to filter out the name of the person sending the messages, so not sure whom I'm responding to, June I guess ?
just to clarify, my comments are not related to supporting the fact that there are not enough women in the government, I strongly deplore that
my comments are a response to the demand that alternative movements should fully integrate the demands of an idealized form of awareness and be perfect in that sense ...
Syriza has other weaknesses that I deplore .. it's commons
orientation is weak, it's ecological orientation is very weak (I heard), and the lack of female representation is another ..
this being said, should we stop critically rejoicing because of it. My answer is no, critical support is needed, pointing out the above and other weaknesses is part of that support ..
Michel
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Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2015 06:29:10 -0800From: P2P Foundation mailing list <p2p-foundation@lists.ourproject.org>Subject: Re: [P2P-F] [NetworkedLabour] [Networkedlabour] Another Politics - After SyrizaTo: "p2p-foundation@lists.ourproject.org" <p2p-foundation@lists.ourproject.org>, Anna Harris <anna@shsh.co.uk>Cc: "networkedlabour@lists.contrast.org" <networkedlabour@lists.contrast.org>Message-ID: <1423146550.79364.YahooMailNeo@web184705.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"Thank you, Michel and Vasilis for getting the actual clarification data. I had meant the actual "ministers" though it is good to know that women are there to help out as "deputy ministers". That is more sincerely meant, than it might sound.But no Michel, I like you too much and value the work you do with the P2P Foundation too much, to let you or the P2P Foundation off the hook as accepting that asking for more female (and other previously left out "others") representation in the leadership of a modern industrialised "new-vision" Commons-oriented government in the year 2015, is too "radical" an ask. Again, that makes no "Commons sense" to me and shouldn't to anyone.I think my "support" (and Anna's clearly it seemed to me) is actually given rather than withdrawn in these very comments, warning that not addressing these underlying "misses", certainly in not admitting and validating them, is the very
reality-most-likely to-derail any hoped for true value-systems change that all sustainable political-economic systems rest on or certainly fall on, ultimately.Why it is seen as "either/or" and oppositional to even raise these warning flags in order to easily, and it is quite easily done, rectify them or put it on the agenda to rectify them down the line, seems to me a very old paradigm to work from. I certainly understand not letting the "perfect be the enemy of the good" when there are so many real "enemies", but as my last comment on this, this would seem to fall more under"but we are practicing what we preach in the p2p
foundation, with difficulty, with problems, but attempting it nevertheless" -- MichelIn essence, it is this discussion that makes me feel that's true, not in not having it at all.Really supportively meant, Michel,June
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