hi Joel,

in any case, the research material will be in cc and can be shared,

I personally have a pre-agreement with a foundation to make this proposal to them, so I will go ahead, but let's then aim for matching funds through a crowdfunding campaign, but for which I won't have to time, but we will of course support the spread of its messages etc ..

I think both can be done in parallel

will be working on the proposal today and invite people here in for comments etc ..

Michel

On Thu, Aug 7, 2014 at 6:57 AM, Joel Dietz <joel@swarmcorp.com> wrote:

I strongly suggest crowdfunding with the results to be released into the shared commons 

although potentially more difficult from a standpoint of fundraising (although it is possible that the whole amount could be carried out from the standpoint of a single organization, like Ethereum), it has the incredible benefit of being forced to develop something that is immediately usable

this means that at the end of your project you will have something of utility that can be shared 

I'm also pretty much planning to do this whether or not the p2pfoundation pushes it forwards, because establishing a 'cryptocommons' is very important to me and other folks in the 2.0 space

Jd

On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 4:49 PM, David Week (Assai) <dew@assai.com.au> wrote:

Hi Michel

I’ve no experience in grant-winning, but in general I know that funders have a bias towards large grants and projects to small ones, since every grant carries with it a similar overhead cost to the agency, but larger grants are more likely to have an impact than smaller ones.

D

On 6 Aug 2014, at 4:59 pm, Michel Bauwens <michel@p2pfoundation.net> wrote:

I was going to put eur25k in my request (and not more than 50k)

this would go partly to the p2p-f and stacco as initiators and conceptual text developers, partly to lionel and primavera as legal experts (haven't asked them yet), and partly to gt and the swarm then, as 'implementors

On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 1:57 PM, Joel Dietz <jdietz@gmail.com> wrote:

How much funding do you think this needs? 

On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 11:55 PM, Michel Bauwens <michel@p2pfoundation.net> wrote:

hi Joel,

GT , stacco in cc, was the first to use this PPL license, and primavera has written a first article on it, but we are seeking funding to develop it on a stable legal basis,

but I believe the fact that breaches need to be interpreted is exactly what you want to achieve, i.e. a discursive ethical community that needs to decide on its ethics

so you would have to establish a social charter, and some 'foundation' (as is customary in open source) with a 'ethical counci' that interprets the charter in case of conflict,

http://p2pfoundation.net/Commons-Based_Reciprocity_Licenses

http://p2pfoundation.net/Commons-Based_Reciprocity_Licenses_To_Advance_Reciprocity_for_the_Commons

On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 1:45 PM, Joel Dietz <jdietz@gmail.com> wrote:

I am extremely sympathetic to this idea. Has there been legal work done around the viability of it (i.e. what constitutes a contribution and what constitutes a breach?). I'm very interested in digging into the specifics of implementation (esp. on a "coin-based" model, where everyone who has the coins of a particular project can freely use the IP).

  Best,

Jd

On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 11:35 PM, Michel Bauwens <michel@p2pfoundation.net> wrote:

David Week was just looking at such an agreement in Oregon, he's in cc,

in cc some people who may know directly or refer you to somebody knowledgeable,

patent pools are quite common I believe, http://p2pfoundation.net/Universities_Allied_for_Essential_Medecines

you may want to look at the p2p foundation's own proposals for commons-based reciprocity licenses

these are derivatives of the peer production license, without the antagonistic language, which aim to create enterpreneurial coalitions around common pools,

they:

* allow non-commercial use and use by non for profit entities

* allow use by self-owned businesses and for profits that contribute

BUT

do not allow free use by for-profits who do not contribute

the aim is not necessarily the income, but to introduce reciprocity in the market and to have a ethical community which decides on its own social charter,

Michel

On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 1:14 PM, Joel Dietz <jdietz@gmail.com> wrote:

Michel,

 

  Do you know anyone who would know about shared IP, esp. the legality of it? I'm very interested in building an "IP commons"

 

 Jd

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