On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 8:58 PM,
<orsan@tie-netherlands.nl> wrote:
hi michel and martin,
OWS clearly creates pressure on radical left parties and unions that were striving to 'represent' working classes. It became obvious that they can represent themselves directly in a much efficient way.
We observe solidarity is rising between the old, new and newest social movements. Old-trd. working class movement, new-NGOsied sector from the new left era, and now with the rise of the p2p infrastructures a newest movements such as Zeitgesit, Anonymous, WikiLeaks, and of course DRY, Take the Square, and OWS.
The latest has surely creted a strong pressure on the core trd. workers and thier unions, for change. The socalled union renewal is coming from below now, as well as from middle by critics in unions.
I think OWS will represent a new model for the new labour self-organisation, and this will pull/push the union movement forward. as happened a hunderd years ago, towarsd transnational unionism.
Clearly peer production, peer governance and peer everything is replaceing older forms, relatively faster fashion overdetermines this process. Now I think we are clearly heading towards a kind of revolution and the destiny of tradiotional workers and unions will be as well as the other classes you were mentioning by the results of such process.
Citeren Michel Bauwens <michel@p2pfoundation.net>:
this is probably true martin, that there is continuation with alt.global,
yet, there are also differences I think, it's a substantial remix,
the way I see it (and ht to jose ramos for point to ariel salleh's work),
there are 3 working classes nowadays,
the meta-industrial class of the south (salleh)
the traditional industrial working class (now also mostly in the emerging
south)
the knowledge workers, and I think ows reflects them ...
we need social movements of all three, but because of the strategic place
of knowledge workers in the current mode of production, they are at a
crucial nexus of power and influence; they are also the probable vehicles,
I think, the speed up the adoption of peer production by the
meta-industrials, allowing them leapfrogging capabilities ...
I'm not so clear about what it all means for the traditional working
classes,
perhaps Orsan has a view?
On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 2:19 AM, mp <mp@aktivix.org> wrote:
when put like this, one really and clearly sees the continuum with
alter-globalisation events, from counter-summit camps through No Border
camps, and even before that: the free party scene, the rave scene,
Reclaim the Streets etc. (all the way back into the age of camping
hundreds of years ago): claiming a space, reorganising it and building a
new world.
the events and organisational approaches of OWS are very similar and
obviously come in extension of those experiences of globalisation
protests - and in many cases, there are old familiar faces at play.
the only thing that has changed, as far as i can tell, is that the
problems revealed and analysed previously have now found resonance with
more people in the rich part of the world, because suddenly suffering
has come home to roost (when it was predominantly children of colour in
exotic countries, people were happy to buy a Save the Children badge to
patch their conscience).
m
On 23/11/11 18:17, Michel Bauwens wrote:
> in response to another letter:
>
> I think ows produces a political commons and does that pretty much in a
> standard peer production way,
>
> they have a commons, zuccoti park,
>
> they have the general assembly and different substructures, but which do
> not command and control the movement,
>
> for example, the finance working group, which looks for money,
>
> they have sophisticated provisioning systems
>
> the last three are equivalent to the for-benefit associations in open
> source,
>
> finally, they have an enterpreneurial coalition, such as the ows street
> vendor association,
>
> I have documented this through
> http://p2pfoundation.net/Category:OccupyWallStreet, in detail,
>
> so,
>
> ows produces 'politics', and it has governance,
>
> it has no clear property, but the commons aspect, i.e. it can be used and
> remixed, would cover that
>
> this is quite illuminating,
http://p2pfoundation.net/Occupy_Wall_Street_API
>
>
>
>
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