Hi All, 

Confused by this thread, but do what you will with my and Marc paper--within reason and the letter of Spanda's contracts (I think it is creative commons)…  

Let me know what you need from me. 

zak

Dr. Zachary Stein

www.zakstein.org

On Jul 10, 2017, at 5:43 AM, Michel Bauwens <michel@p2pfoundation.net> wrote:

Dear Gregory:

by the way, I did a first processing of your article here, https://wiki.p2pfoundation.net/Consciousness_and_the_Post-Capitalist_Commons

and here are some remarks which I share with our mailing list

I wrote on fb:

"Dear Gregory Wilpert: I have 2 issues with your vision in the paper; the first is that you call cooperatives 'capitalist commons'; now that may be correct as saying that coops are the form that commons can take within capitalism, but they were clearly posed as an alternative to it, often antagonistic, even though some were transformed into collectively-competing entities within the capitalist market; still I find this term too much of a short hand

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Michel Bauwens also even today, many 'post-capitalist' commons are actually subsumed within capitalism, and not necessarily opposed to that; developer commons for example, are mostly clearly liberal in their basic orientation; others, whom I don't agree with, want to exclude those from the commons defintion, and only recognize anti-capitalist commons as true commons;

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Michel Bauwens finally, you seem to almost exclusively equate post-capitalist commons with cultural commons, while the transformation towards physical production has been underway for at least 15 years and there are commons-based physical production communities (such as Atelier Paysan)