really beautiful quotes from both Tibi and James ... wow ...
a historical perspective might be useful here,i.e. The First European Revolution, 975-1050 from Robert Moore,
It first highlights the period of deconstruction that started in the 8th century (contrary to popular opinion, roman structures survived without the romans in the germanic states), after the muslims took control of the medittaranean and all trade collapsed, but then, after the social revolution of 975 (the peace of god movements), a period of fast reconstruction began, with a quite amazing civilization in part based on workers' management (the guilds in the low lands, france and germany and italy)
the key is to work on seed forms in preparation of the reconstructive period, they must be able to deal both with the mainstream system, and its decline, i.e. work on two fronts at the same time, survive and thrive in the monetary economy, while making sure they can have access to resources if the former break down; depend on mainstream dependence, while having a measure of resilience and autonomy beyond it,
i.e. what Bob and Lynn have done with their life , but at scale <g>