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1. Re: Fwd: New answer to "Are social networks the new platforms
for social activism?" (Michel Bauwens)
2. Fwd: Michael Hamlin commented on your answer "There is indeed
a left-libertarian tradition which aims to combine individual
freedom with a conc..." (Michel Bauwens)
3. Fwd: <Coalition> German and EU Green New Deal Proposal
(Michel Bauwens)
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Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 10:47:47 +0700
From: Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [P2P-F] Fwd: New answer to "Are social networks the new
platforms for social activism?"
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I just invited you,
anybody else who needs an invitation let me know,
if't s a great place to learn from knowledgeable people, and also to
re-share the material we have assembled at the p2p foundation,
Michel
On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 9:04 AM, Roberto Verzola <rverzola@gn.apc.org>wrote:
> I tried to create an account, but it told me it is by invitation only...
>
> Roberto
>
> Michel Bauwens wrote:
> > thanks Olivier, are you on quora?
> >
> > I didn't know about it but am hooked from 'go' ..
> >
> > Michel
> >
> > On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 11:19 PM, olivier auber
> > <olivierauber2@gmail.com <mailto:olivierauber2@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> > In fact the so called "social networks" are "social silos".
> >
> > Using the marketing name is just confusing the map and the
> > territory. And almost everybody does it!
> >
> > We should fight on the semantic battlefield by using a term like
> > "social silo" just like Stallmann says "privative software".
> > But in this case, that is NOT to say that "social silos" are BAD,
> > just that they are silos and have their own legitimacy. Other
> > rules may exist....
> >
> > Here is an english translation of a very short french paper about
> > this confusion and its consequences.
> >
> > http://is.gd/URiWqO
> >
> > Olivier
> >
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> > 2011/1/18 Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004@gmail.com
> > <mailto:michelsub2004@gmail.com>>
> >
> > well said Sam!
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> > Subject: New answer to "Are social networks the new platforms
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> > Quora
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> > New answer to "Are social networks the new platforms for
> > social activism?"
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> >
> > *Sam Rose*:
> > I don't think social networks are the "new" platforms for
> > social activism. Social networks definitely are platforms for
> > social activism, though.
> >
> > Many people do not realize that activity among participant
> > activists online usually happens across a diverse range of
> > "Technologies of Cooperation", not limited to social networks,
> > but also including self and service hosted blogs, wiki sites,
> > social bookmarking services, email discussion groups like
> > google groups, yahoogroups and mailman email lists, open
> > source software like statusnet, and emerging services like
> > quora. Social networks are only a part of the total picture.
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Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 13:11:59 +0700
From: Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004@gmail.com>
Subject: [P2P-F] Fwd: Michael Hamlin commented on your answer "There
is indeed a left-libertarian tradition which aims to combine
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Kevin is mentioned here:
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Subject: Michael Hamlin commented on your answer "There is indeed a
left-libertarian tradition which aims to combine individual freedom with a
conc..."
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[image: Quora]Michael Hamlin commented on your answer "There is indeed a
left-libertarian tradition which aims to combine individual freedom with a
conc..."
Michael Hamlin commented on your answer "There is indeed a left-libertarian
tradition which aims to combine individual freedom with a conc...":
""Organization Theory" has been sitting on my desk for many months, but it
keeps being preempted in my reading queue. Carson's efforts to synthesize
various schools sometimes feels a bit forced, but I enjoy them.
Sometimes I feel that the C4SS and Carson's "neo-mutalist" system is a good,
well, counterbalance to the Rothbardian advance (not that I am
anti-Rothbardian). I'm sympathetic and happy for the growth of all these
libertarian-style systems."
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Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 13:18:45 +0700
From: Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004@gmail.com>
Subject: [P2P-F] Fwd: <Coalition> German and EU Green New Deal
Proposal
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From: Dante-Gabryell Monson <dante.monson@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 11:31 AM
Subject: Re: <Coalition> German and EU Green New Deal Proposal
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... as the next "Green" capitalist bubble ?
Thank you for sharing that Pdf
http://www.boell.org/downloads/Green-New-Deal.pdf
I somehow tried to participate in the "Green New Deal" debate, including
sharing understanding of the need for exponential monetary mass growth in a
capitalist, central bank debt with interest based currency.
I see no mention in that pdf of tackling the problem of monetary
architectures, and "interest" on credit.
My own feeling , if it was understood, is that such view "disturbed" some
greens who could influence the agenda.
I was asking how such green new deal would be used... and if it would be
used to get out of the current capitalist approach.
>From my point of view, maintaining the current system is not green, even if
one puts a layer of green paint on it, creating new markets as to increase
the monetary mass, and maintain the current non-green system.
On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 3:21 AM, George Mokray <gmoke@world.std.com> wrote:
> 40 page paper from Germany - pdf alert
>
> http://www.sven-giegold.de/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/Green-New-Deal_en.pdf
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