Hi, As part of our JoPP outreach program, we released a printed version at FSCONS, Göteborg, called "Book of Peer Production" with chapters from (most) of the contributing speakers, and a few others (Adrian Smith, Johan Söderberg, Mathieu O'Neil, George Dafermos, Austin Toombs, Shaowen Bardzell, Jeffrey Bardzell & Maxigas), and the layout done by volunteer Karin Sjöberg. The book was printed under the auspice of the laureated Nordic Summer University Press. The pdf-version is included with this mail, go ahead and distribute it as you see fit. We printed 125 copies, part of the cost was covered by the conference venue, part of it came from an undisclosed, private VC. The VC wants to recover his costs, however, so we had to sell the hard copies, about a fourth of them have been sold so far. If you want your own, very limited, special edition, dont hesitate to send me 5 euros + cost of transportation. /Johan
Hi Johan I will post the book on our grassroots innovation site. I'll buy a hard copy too. Can you tell me the postage cost and how I should pay, eg. IBAN number etc. How was the lucas film screening? Hope all is good with you All the best Adrian Adrian Smith Professor of Technology & Society SPRU (Science Policy Research Unit) University of Sussex @smithadrianpaul On 12 Nov 2014, at 23:37, "Johan Söderberg" <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: Hi, As part of our JoPP outreach program, we released a printed version at FSCONS, Göteborg, called "Book of Peer Production" with chapters from (most) of the contributing speakers, and a few others (Adrian Smith, Johan Söderberg, Mathieu O'Neil, George Dafermos, Austin Toombs, Shaowen Bardzell, Jeffrey Bardzell & Maxigas), and the layout done by volunteer Karin Sjöberg. The book was printed under the auspice of the laureated Nordic Summer University Press. The pdf-version is included with this mail, go ahead and distribute it as you see fit. We printed 125 copies, part of the cost was covered by the conference venue, part of it came from an undisclosed, private VC. The VC wants to recover his costs, however, so we had to sell the hard copies, about a fourth of them have been sold so far. If you want your own, very limited, special edition, dont hesitate to send me 5 euros + cost of transportation. /Johan <Peer book.pdf> _______________________________________________ JoPP-Public mailing list [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/jopp-public
From: Adrian Smith <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [JoPP-Public] Book of Peer Production Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2014 00:03:59 +0000
Hi Johan
I will post the book on our grassroots innovation site. I'll buy a hard copy too. Can you tell me the postage cost and how I should pay, eg. IBAN number etc.
How was the lucas film screening?
Hope all is good with you
hey, since we meet tomorrow, i am going to give you a hardcopy (i have with me around 20). :) i'll also give a more informal update of the screening, which went well. -- maxigas, kiberpunk FA00 8129 13E9 2617 C614 0901 7879 63BC 287E D166 http://research.metatron.ai/ When capitalism started it wasn’t legal.
Sorry all. Last mail meant for Johan! Adrian Smith Professor of Technology & Society SPRU (Science Policy Research Unit) University of Sussex @smithadrianpaul On 12 Nov 2014, at 23:37, "Johan Söderberg" <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: Hi, As part of our JoPP outreach program, we released a printed version at FSCONS, Göteborg, called "Book of Peer Production" with chapters from (most) of the contributing speakers, and a few others (Adrian Smith, Johan Söderberg, Mathieu O'Neil, George Dafermos, Austin Toombs, Shaowen Bardzell, Jeffrey Bardzell & Maxigas), and the layout done by volunteer Karin Sjöberg. The book was printed under the auspice of the laureated Nordic Summer University Press. The pdf-version is included with this mail, go ahead and distribute it as you see fit. We printed 125 copies, part of the cost was covered by the conference venue, part of it came from an undisclosed, private VC. The VC wants to recover his costs, however, so we had to sell the hard copies, about a fourth of them have been sold so far. If you want your own, very limited, special edition, dont hesitate to send me 5 euros + cost of transportation. /Johan <Peer book.pdf> _______________________________________________ JoPP-Public mailing list [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/jopp-public
?Hi all @Karin: many thanks for your work. It is really great and it means a lot to see this volume come to fruition. @Johan: of course, congratulations to you and maxigas for this also. Please save a copy for me. I will email you privately about how to get it. @All: as discussed we should put the book up on the jopp site. The "projects" page currently describes itself as for projects "which we are not directly responsible for" such as surveys and translations, so either the book goes elsewhere or we change this description. It could go in "news" where the CFPs are posted but then there is a small risk that as we add more content it will lose visibility. I am leaning towards this second option so we can keep "projects" for outside contributions. What do the book editors think? cheers Mathieu ________________________________ From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Johan Söderberg <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 9:02 To: [email protected] Cc: Karin Sjöberg [[email protected]] Subject: [JoPP-Public] Book of Peer Production Hi, As part of our JoPP outreach program, we released a printed version at FSCONS, Göteborg, called "Book of Peer Production" with chapters from (most) of the contributing speakers, and a few others (Adrian Smith, Johan Söderberg, Mathieu O'Neil, George Dafermos, Austin Toombs, Shaowen Bardzell, Jeffrey Bardzell & Maxigas), and the layout done by volunteer Karin Sjöberg. The book was printed under the auspice of the laureated Nordic Summer University Press. The pdf-version is included with this mail, go ahead and distribute it as you see fit. We printed 125 copies, part of the cost was covered by the conference venue, part of it came from an undisclosed, private VC. The VC wants to recover his costs, however, so we had to sell the hard copies, about a fourth of them have been sold so far. If you want your own, very limited, special edition, dont hesitate to send me 5 euros + cost of transportation. /Johan
From: Mathieu ONeil <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [JoPP-Public] Book of Peer Production Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2014 01:44:47 +0000
Hi all
@Karin: many thanks for your work. It is really great and it means a lot to see this volume come to fruition.
!!! thanks for all the care you put into this.
@Johan: of course, congratulations to you and maxigas for this also. Please save a copy for me. I will email you privately about how to get it.
so, i have a bit more than 20 copies in Barcelona, and i think the rest are in Gotheburg. so for mail orders bother Johan, but if you are passing by Barcelona you can also pick one up from me. i also sold 7 at the Free Culture Forum here.
@All: as discussed we should put the book up on the jopp site. The "projects" page currently describes itself as for projects "which we are not directly responsible for" such as surveys and translations, so either the book goes elsewhere or we change this description. It could go in "news" where the CFPs are posted but then there is a small risk that as we add more content it will lose visibility. I am leaning towards this second option so we can keep "projects" for outside contributions. What do the book editors think?
my opinion is that we should make physical volumes a "project", even in the sense that anybody not associated with the journal can make one (of course ideally they coordinate with us). i have two ideas how to help making more physical editions: 1. economic: we keep selling this volume and if we sell all, then the anon VC gets his ivestment back and there is some leftover money. we keep the leftover money with a trustee and make it available to finance the next print run of another hardcopy project. i think this is important because it was quite difficult to find the initial money to put into this printing. 2. technical: the pdf generator on the site gave us a lot of headaches and it should be phased out. at the same time there is a renewed web-to-print movement around open source publishing tools, as far as i understand pioneered by Contanz (a group based in Brussels) and also pushed by Manufactura Independente in Lisbon. so we should hook up with these people and see how to implement a system where the user can cherry pick the articles she wants to see in hardcopy, upload a cover and fill out a colophon, etc. and get a pdf ready to print. this would allow people to easily produce readers for conferences, print the new issue, etc. from these two, 1. is a matter of decision, time and persistence to sell the anthology and 2. needs more thought and actual work. i am happy to take on 2. tenatively and in the middle term, especially if there are a few people who are willing to work me on it, and of course if you think it is a good idea. ps: i would like to see the next hardcopy made with open source tools, fonts, etc. as well, possibly printed by a cooperative, etc. so that the form is true to the content...
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Johan Söderberg <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 9:02 To: [email protected] Cc: Karin Sjöberg [[email protected]] Subject: [JoPP-Public] Book of Peer Production
Hi,
As part of our JoPP outreach program, we released a printed version at FSCONS, Göteborg, called "Book of Peer Production" with chapters from (most) of the contributing speakers, and a few others (Adrian Smith, Johan Söderberg, Mathieu O'Neil, George Dafermos, Austin Toombs, Shaowen Bardzell, Jeffrey Bardzell & Maxigas), and the layout done by volunteer Karin Sjöberg. The book was printed under the auspice of the laureated Nordic Summer University Press. The pdf-version is included with this mail, go ahead and distribute it as you see fit. We printed 125 copies, part of the cost was covered by the conference venue, part of it came from an undisclosed, private VC. The VC wants to recover his costs, however, so we had to sell the hard copies, about a fourth of them have been sold so far. If you want your own, very limited, special edition, dont hesitate to send me 5 euros + cost of transportation.
/Johan
-- maxigas, kiberpunk FA00 8129 13E9 2617 C614 0901 7879 63BC 287E D166 http://research.metatron.ai/ When capitalism started it wasn’t legal.
From: maxigas <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [JoPP-Public] Book of Peer Production Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2014 13:33:33 +0100 (CET)
From: Mathieu ONeil <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [JoPP-Public] Book of Peer Production Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2014 01:44:47 +0000
Hi all
@Karin: many thanks for your work. It is really great and it means a lot to see this volume come to fruition.
!!! thanks for all the care you put into this.
@Johan: of course, congratulations to you and maxigas for this also. Please save a copy for me. I will email you privately about how to get it.
so, i have a bit more than 20 copies in Barcelona, and i think the rest are in Gotheburg. so for mail orders bother Johan, but if you are passing by Barcelona you can also pick one up from me. i also sold 7 at the Free Culture Forum here.
@All: as discussed we should put the book up on the jopp site. The "projects" page currently describes itself as for projects "which we are not directly responsible for" such as surveys and translations, so either the book goes elsewhere or we change this description. It could go in "news" where the CFPs are posted but then there is a small risk that as we add more content it will lose visibility. I am leaning towards this second option so we can keep "projects" for outside contributions. What do the book editors think?
my opinion is that we should make physical volumes a "project", even in the sense that anybody not associated with the journal can make one (of course ideally they coordinate with us).
i have two ideas how to help making more physical editions:
1. economic: we keep selling this volume and if we sell all, then the anon VC gets his ivestment back and there is some leftover money. we keep the leftover money with a trustee and make it available to finance the next print run of another hardcopy project. i think this is important because it was quite difficult to find the initial money to put into this printing.
2. technical: the pdf generator on the site gave us a lot of headaches and it should be phased out. at the same time there is a renewed web-to-print movement around open source publishing tools, as far as i understand pioneered by Contanz (a group based in Brussels) and also pushed by Manufactura Independente in Lisbon. so we should hook up with these people and see how to implement a system where the user can cherry pick the articles she wants to see in hardcopy, upload a cover and fill out a colophon, etc. and get a pdf ready to print. this would allow people to easily produce readers for conferences, print the new issue, etc.
from these two, 1. is a matter of decision, time and persistence to sell the anthology and 2. needs more thought and actual work. i am happy to take on 2. tenatively and in the middle term, especially if there are a few people who are willing to work me on it, and of course if you think it is a good idea.
ps: i would like to see the next hardcopy made with open source tools, fonts, etc. as well, possibly printed by a cooperative, etc. so that the form is true to the content...
sry i was a bit sloppy with the references there: Constant (Brussels) -- Open Source Publishing Caravan: http://osp.constantvzw.org/ Manufactura Independente (Lisbon) -- Libre Graphics Design & Research Studio http://manufacturaindependente.org/ C. is doing automated web-to-print tools and M.I. open source publications like the Libre Graphics Magazine http://libregraphicsmag.com/ -- maxigas, kiberpunk FA00 8129 13E9 2617 C614 0901 7879 63BC 287E D166 http://research.metatron.ai/ When capitalism started it wasn’t legal.
Hi maxigas, all OK, so my first possible solution for the projects page was to divide it in several components: -some independent from us (surveys, translations) -some led by us (books) But then I thought that some JoPP-people might do translations as well. So I think we will need a more contingent, fluid taxonomy ie "this project done by jopp"; "this project outside jopp". Do you want to do this? Let me know. Nate commented in a different exchange that we should announce through lists etc as it is already circulating, so we need a stable URL. Concerning web to print, all sounds good. I don't know much about that so happy to help you in any way I can. Concerning PDFs, I agree that the current system is not ideal but until we have a 100% foolproof replacement in place I would not support replacing it. cheers Mathieu ________________________________________ From: maxigas <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 23:48 To: [email protected]; Mathieu ONeil Cc: [email protected] Subject: Re: [JoPP-Public] Book of Peer Production From: maxigas <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [JoPP-Public] Book of Peer Production Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2014 13:33:33 +0100 (CET)
From: Mathieu ONeil <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [JoPP-Public] Book of Peer Production Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2014 01:44:47 +0000
Hi all
@Karin: many thanks for your work. It is really great and it means a lot to see this volume come to fruition.
!!! thanks for all the care you put into this.
@Johan: of course, congratulations to you and maxigas for this also. Please save a copy for me. I will email you privately about how to get it.
so, i have a bit more than 20 copies in Barcelona, and i think the rest are in Gotheburg. so for mail orders bother Johan, but if you are passing by Barcelona you can also pick one up from me. i also sold 7 at the Free Culture Forum here.
@All: as discussed we should put the book up on the jopp site. The "projects" page currently describes itself as for projects "which we are not directly responsible for" such as surveys and translations, so either the book goes elsewhere or we change this description. It could go in "news" where the CFPs are posted but then there is a small risk that as we add more content it will lose visibility. I am leaning towards this second option so we can keep "projects" for outside contributions. What do the book editors think?
my opinion is that we should make physical volumes a "project", even in the sense that anybody not associated with the journal can make one (of course ideally they coordinate with us).
i have two ideas how to help making more physical editions:
1. economic: we keep selling this volume and if we sell all, then the anon VC gets his ivestment back and there is some leftover money. we keep the leftover money with a trustee and make it available to finance the next print run of another hardcopy project. i think this is important because it was quite difficult to find the initial money to put into this printing.
2. technical: the pdf generator on the site gave us a lot of headaches and it should be phased out. at the same time there is a renewed web-to-print movement around open source publishing tools, as far as i understand pioneered by Contanz (a group based in Brussels) and also pushed by Manufactura Independente in Lisbon. so we should hook up with these people and see how to implement a system where the user can cherry pick the articles she wants to see in hardcopy, upload a cover and fill out a colophon, etc. and get a pdf ready to print. this would allow people to easily produce readers for conferences, print the new issue, etc.
from these two, 1. is a matter of decision, time and persistence to sell the anthology and 2. needs more thought and actual work. i am happy to take on 2. tenatively and in the middle term, especially if there are a few people who are willing to work me on it, and of course if you think it is a good idea.
ps: i would like to see the next hardcopy made with open source tools, fonts, etc. as well, possibly printed by a cooperative, etc. so that the form is true to the content...
sry i was a bit sloppy with the references there: Constant (Brussels) -- Open Source Publishing Caravan: http://osp.constantvzw.org/ Manufactura Independente (Lisbon) -- Libre Graphics Design & Research Studio http://manufacturaindependente.org/ C. is doing automated web-to-print tools and M.I. open source publications like the Libre Graphics Magazine http://libregraphicsmag.com/ -- maxigas, kiberpunk FA00 8129 13E9 2617 C614 0901 7879 63BC 287E D166 http://research.metatron.ai/ When capitalism started it wasn’t legal.
From: Mathieu ONeil <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [JoPP-Public] Book of Peer Production Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2014 21:30:22 +0000
Hi maxigas, all
OK, so my first possible solution for the projects page was to divide it in several components: -some independent from us (surveys, translations) -some led by us (books) But then I thought that some JoPP-people might do translations as well.
So I think we will need a more contingent, fluid taxonomy ie "this project done by jopp"; "this project outside jopp". Do you want to do this? Let me know. Nate commented in a different exchange that we should announce through lists etc as it is already circulating, so we need a stable URL.
i don't see "hardcopies of jopp" as something either connected to jopp or not. i can perfectly imagine that some people in a conference we never heard of decide to print their own reader from their own selection of jopp articles, and i hope it will actually happen. if it happens we would put it in the same category as this one, i guess, because from a reader's point of view it matters little. that said, we should keep some control of the brand, even if that is rather futile when we have no trade marks and we are running on a public domain licencing policy. :)
Concerning web to print, all sounds good. I don't know much about that so happy to help you in any way I can.
great. i think this will became interesting in a few months' time when i explored options and some stuff that others are working on came out. i also try to suggest to the feminist issue editors to get a grant which would allow a move in this direction.
Concerning PDFs, I agree that the current system is not ideal but until we have a 100% foolproof replacement in place I would not support replacing it.
well the one we have is not even foolproof because for instance you have to enter all the header details, metadata, etc. by hand. i mean you first create the article and give it a title as a wordpress page, and then you add the title a second time as metadata? not a foolproof method... not to mention that images mysteriously dissappear if you put a non-breaking space (" ") in your text, etc. but as i wrote this is a middle-term plan, i guess that what i want to have does not exist as code at this time in history... and i agree that it should be as user friendly, or hopefully friendlier, than the current module we use. -- maxigas, kiberpunk FA00 8129 13E9 2617 C614 0901 7879 63BC 287E D166 http://research.metatron.ai/ When capitalism started it wasn’t legal.
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