Re: [JoPP-Public] Re : Re: Journal Website
Hi Franco, Athina, all OK, I've had a think and I reckon there are a number of points to discuss. (=> proposed actions.) § Homepage: This page has a menu-bar at the bottom with the different categories (research, debate, section). We dont really need this any more as we are not grouping articles in this way. => I can't modify this as this page appears to be blocked. Can you help? - thanks. § About: -"Mission statement" should probably be renamed "Submission" as the mission statement part is already on the first page and there is a lot more content to be added which details the kind of submissions (research, debate, etc) which we are interested. -There is a page called "Participate" which should probably be renamed "Mailing lists" like this one: <http://cspp.oekonux.org/about/mailing-list> This could also include a link to the still active jox cspp list. => Does everyone agree? I can't modify this either as all these page appear to be blocked. Can you help? - thanks. § Research section: As you can see from say <http://cspp.oekonux.org/research/mass-peer-activism/rs1.1-swedish-file-sharing>, research articles have a lot of different files - there is a summary, the pdf of the paper, the pdf of final signals, and pdfs of backrgound material (the original submissions and reviews). The way it was set up in Plone was by having different pages for all these pdfs but it might be easier (if possible) to have them all on one page. => What do you think? § Structure: I do need to return to the importance of having a page which gives a reasonably detailed summary of the content of each issue as FM does. Athina on this list and Francesca privately also agreed that this is necessary. So instead of the current content of the "Issue 0" page (which should in fact be the "Editorial") we should have something like: Issue 0: Mass Peer Activism Editorial Research: Mass peer activism Jonas Andersson, "The origins and impacts of Swedish filesharing: A Case study". Mathieu O'Neil, "The Sociology of Critique in Wikipedia". Debate: ANT and power Johan Söderberg, "ANT & Hegelian Marxism". Nathaniel Tkacz, "In defence of ANT". Mathieu O'Neil, "Domination & networks". Reports Johanna Niesyto & Nathaniel Tkacz, "Critical Point of View". Leonhard Dobusch & Michelle Thorne, "Third Free Culture Research Conference". => I am happy to do this, if you are OK with it. I realise that there are some smaller menus in sidebars on "Home" and the current version of "Research" but once again these only have section titles or article titles and I think it is the norm for research journals to have author/title. cheers, Mathieu On 03/10/12, Athina <[email protected]> wrote:
Hallo from Amsterdam wish you were here I am at the unlike us Facebook conference and it's cool About layout a clear page with each issue in the usual manner is indeed better
Pass me the slippers
Athina
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On 9 Mar 2012, at 11:19, Mathieu ONeil <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi Franco, all
First, thanks again to Franco for stepping up and helping us. He has done a great job. My concern with the current layout is that people will not get a sense of who has done what until they are on an article page.
We experimented with the division in three parts - research, debate, reports - on the cspp site and agreed that it was not satisfactory because it gets confusing once you start piling issue upon issue - so a page clearly listing table of contents for each issue (showing for example sections, authors, editors, facilitators etc) following, or closely related to the First Monday model, is pretty important in my view. Alessandro raised this point a few weeks ago as well.
What do others think?
@Franco: is there a way to get to this?
We can discuss this offlist more in detail if people think this is too technical but I thought it important that these design issues are given a public hearing as they tend to be hard to change later.
cheers
Mathieu
Le 03/09/12, Franco Iacomella <[email protected]> a écrit :
El 05/03/12 11:42, Mathieu ONeil escribió:
Hi Franco
Hi!
I see you have begun to import content into the JoPP site - great, thanks!
:)
Just a quick word to remind you that the "issues" page should be a table of contents a bit like:
(http://firstmonday.org/issue/archive)http://firstmonday.org/issue/archive
I modified the Issues page so it now list all the issues in a similar format. Just the title of each Issue is missing.
... where different issues would then lead to something like:
(http://firstmonday.org/htbin/cgiwrap/bin/ojs/index.php/fm/issue/view/356)htt...
That is already there, we are not using OJS to display the issue content, so it wont look exactly like that. But I think our version is better, includes the TOC and download links for PDF and ePub.
If you can set this up I will start putting content in as well.
Well, it's done. However, you don't need to wait to improve the page layouts to start adding content. Issue #0 is almost done, but "Research" section is missing content, so you can start there.
Best,
-- Franco Iacomella
-- **** Dr Mathieu O'Neil Adjunct Research Fellow Australian Demographic and Social Research Institute College of Arts and Social Science The Australian National University email: mathieu.oneil[at]anu.edu.au web: http://adsri.anu.edu.au/people/visitors/mathieu.php
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hi all the suggestions sound fine by me, to be honest (and maybe i woke up wrong side of the bed) i am very interested in the academic side of things, and find the nitty gritty stylistic web issues a bit tiresome. i d rather spend time organising new issues and reviewing and publishing as much as possible good stuff for the journal. i know this had to be done twice now because of the move, but yeah i am happy with whatever stylistically on web page and functionality as long as people can access well. its more important for me the substance, what we publish. i d be happier to discuss that, if there is anything i can do to help for the next issue (dont know where we are with it) and I can definitely help more there. cheers athina On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 11:40 PM, Mathieu ONeil <[email protected]>wrote:
Hi Franco, Athina, all
OK, I've had a think and I reckon there are a number of points to discuss. (=> proposed actions.)
§ Homepage: This page has a menu-bar at the bottom with the different categories (research, debate, section). We dont really need this any more as we are not grouping articles in this way.
=> I can't modify this as this page appears to be blocked. Can you help? - thanks.
§ About: -"Mission statement" should probably be renamed "Submission" as the mission statement part is already on the first page and there is a lot more content to be added which details the kind of submissions (research, debate, etc) which we are interested. -There is a page called "Participate" which should probably be renamed "Mailing lists" like this one: <http://cspp.oekonux.org/about/mailing-list
This could also include a link to the still active jox cspp list.
=> Does everyone agree? I can't modify this either as all these page appear to be blocked. Can you help? - thanks.
§ Research section: As you can see from say < http://cspp.oekonux.org/research/mass-peer-activism/rs1.1-swedish-file-sharing>, research articles have a lot of different files - there is a summary, the pdf of the paper, the pdf of final signals, and pdfs of backrgound material (the original submissions and reviews). The way it was set up in Plone was by having different pages for all these pdfs but it might be easier (if possible) to have them all on one page.
=> What do you think?
§ Structure: I do need to return to the importance of having a page which gives a reasonably detailed summary of the content of each issue as FM does. Athina on this list and Francesca privately also agreed that this is necessary. So instead of the current content of the "Issue 0" page (which should in fact be the "Editorial") we should have something like:
Issue 0: Mass Peer Activism
Editorial
Research: Mass peer activism Jonas Andersson, "The origins and impacts of Swedish filesharing: A Case study". Mathieu O'Neil, "The Sociology of Critique in Wikipedia".
Debate: ANT and power Johan Söderberg, "ANT & Hegelian Marxism". Nathaniel Tkacz, "In defence of ANT". Mathieu O'Neil, "Domination & networks".
Reports Johanna Niesyto & Nathaniel Tkacz, "Critical Point of View". Leonhard Dobusch & Michelle Thorne, "Third Free Culture Research Conference".
=> I am happy to do this, if you are OK with it. I realise that there are some smaller menus in sidebars on "Home" and the current version of "Research" but once again these only have section titles or article titles and I think it is the norm for research journals to have author/title.
cheers,
Mathieu
On 03/10/12, *Athina * <[email protected]> wrote:
Hallo from Amsterdam wish you were here I am at the unlike us Facebook conference and it's cool About layout a clear page with each issue in the usual manner is indeed better
Pass me the slippers
Athina
Sent from my iPhone
On 9 Mar 2012, at 11:19, Mathieu ONeil <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi Franco, all
First, thanks again to Franco for stepping up and helping us. He has done a great job. My concern with the current layout is that people will not get a sense of who has done what until they are on an article page.
We experimented with the division in three parts - research, debate, reports - on the cspp site and agreed that it was not satisfactory because it gets confusing once you start piling issue upon issue - so a page clearly listing table of contents for each issue (showing for example sections, authors, editors, facilitators etc) following, or closely related to the First Monday model, is pretty important in my view. Alessandro raised this point a few weeks ago as well.
What do others think?
@Franco: is there a way to get to this?
We can discuss this offlist more in detail if people think this is too technical but I thought it important that these design issues are given a public hearing as they tend to be hard to change later.
cheers
Mathieu
Le 03/09/12, *Franco Iacomella * <[email protected]> a écrit :
El 05/03/12 11:42, Mathieu ONeil escribió:
Hi Franco
Hi!
I see you have begun to import content into the JoPP site - great, thanks!
:)
Just a quick word to remind you that the "issues" page should be a table of contents a bit like:
<http://firstmonday.org/issue/archive> http://firstmonday.org/issue/archive
I modified the Issues page so it now list all the issues in a similar format. Just the title of each Issue is missing.
... where different issues would then lead to something like:
<http://firstmonday.org/htbin/cgiwrap/bin/ojs/index.php/fm/issue/view/356> http://firstmonday.org/htbin/cgiwrap/bin/ojs/index.php/fm/issue/view/356
That is already there, we are not using OJS to display the issue content, so it wont look exactly like that. But I think our version is better, includes the TOC and download links for PDF and ePub.
If you can set this up I will start putting content in as well.
Well, it's done. However, you don't need to wait to improve the page layouts to start adding content. Issue #0 is almost done, but "Research" section is missing content, so you can start there.
Best,
-- Franco Iacomella
-- **** Dr Mathieu O'Neil Adjunct Research Fellow Australian Demographic and Social Research Institute College of Arts and Social Science The Australian National University email: mathieu.oneil[at]anu.edu.au web: http://adsri.anu.edu.au/people/visitors/mathieu.php
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El 10/03/12 20:40, Mathieu ONeil escribió:
§ Homepage: This page has a menu-bar at the bottom with the different categories (research, debate, section). We dont really need this any more as we are not grouping articles in this way.
=> I can't modify this as this page appears to be blocked. Can you help? - thanks.
To change that elements you need to go to Lustrel Options > Homepage tabs.
§ About: -"Mission statement" should probably be renamed "Submission" as the mission statement part is already on the first page and there is a lot more content to be added which details the kind of submissions (research, debate, etc) which we are interested. -There is a page called "Participate" which should probably be renamed "Mailing lists" like this one: <http://cspp.oekonux.org/about/mailing-list> This could also include a link to the still active jox cspp list.
+1
=> Does everyone agree? I can't modify this either as all these page appear to be blocked. Can you help? - thanks.
Since you are admin now, you should be able to modify it.
§ Research section: As you can see from say <http://cspp.oekonux.org/research/mass-peer-activism/rs1.1-swedish-file-sharing>, research articles have a lot of different files - there is a summary, the pdf of the paper, the pdf of final signals, and pdfs of backrgound material (the original submissions and reviews). The way it was set up in Plone was by having different pages for all these pdfs but it might be easier (if possible) to have them all on one page.
=> What do you think?
I think that we should avoid that much ammount of files. I think that we should have: - pdf, html and epub of each article - pdf, html and epub of each issue
§ Structure: I do need to return to the importance of having a page which gives a reasonably detailed summary of the content of each issue as FM does. Athina on this list and Francesca privately also agreed that this is necessary. So instead of the current content of the "Issue 0" page (which should in fact be the "Editorial") we should have something like:
Ok, I understand your point now. I will try to work on this during next weekend. The final objetive is to have a page template that automatically generates this type of index per issue. Best, -- Franco Iacomella
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