Hi Christian, all Thanks for commenting. I can't respond address your points straight away but I am curious about how you propose to implement this part of your proposal : "((publishing all versions of a paper from the first submitted one (or, at least, the last negotiated version of each paper))) __without allowing the authors to pull out.__ "? How do we stop people from pulling out? Sign a blood oath over the Internet? ;-) cheers Mathieu On 03/27/12, Christian Siefkes <[email protected]> wrote:

Hi Mathieu and all,

On 03/26/2012 04:17 PM, Mathieu ONeil wrote:

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Openness undoubtedly has great virtues, but in the case of academic publishing it can also generate some bad side-effects.

For this issue of JoPP five papers were sent out for review. Three of the papers will be published with reviews and signals. Two other papers were not great. Reviewers worked long and hard to address shortcomings and make suggestions.

One author decided that it would not be possible to make these adjustments though much time kept being added.

The other agreed to make changes but then used the time excuse as well as sickness.

There is nothing preventing either author from now submitting their much-improved papers to another journal...

In my view, we should try to address this obvious waste of reviewer (and editorial) work/energy.

hmm, isn't this a problem of being (maybe) not open enough instead of being too open? In the experience from my own academic this, this is a quite possible scenario in the traditional peer review process: reviewers send criticism and suggestions, the author might then revise the paper and send back a revised version, or submit the revised version elsewhere. Especially if a paper is re-submitted by multiple journals (after being refused -- with reviewer feedback -- by each of them), it would cause reviewers a lot of work. (Say if there are 3 reviewers per paper and you submit it sequentially to 4 journals, you would already occupy a dozen reviewers, while none of them would benefit of the work already done by others, since they don't know about it.) Also, if you re-submit a text sufficiently often, it becomes more and more likely to be accepted somewhere by pure chance, almost regardless of the quality of the paper, I would presume.

The only chance to avoid that would be more openness, not less, i.e. publishing all versions of a paper from the first submitted one (or, at least, the last negotiated version of each paper), without allowing the authors to pull out. Not sure if we want to go this way, but blaming "openness" for the shortcomings of the current approach strikes my as definitively wrong.

Best regards Christian

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